Welding Wire, WTF !!!

Discussion in 'General Entropia Universe Discussion' started by RAZER, Jun 22, 2011.

  1. RAZER

    RAZER Custom title ... uh ...

    Well MA has done it again !

    After creating space to keep us happy (and shut us up for a while), they again found a way to make this game cost us even more money. After the last VU we now need Welding Wire to repair our vehicles as ammo for the repair tools. So if we now get stuck in a tree and the car blows up we need to pay not only for the decay of the car and the tool, but also for the Wire.

    In stead of making expansive stuff like space and mother ships and what else that made, maybe MA needs to get their heads out of their asses and spend money on stuff that is actually useful and stuff WE are asking for for years now.

    In stead of spending loads of money on deals with crappy Hollywood companies, maybe they need to spend some money to actually get players into the game instead of spreading us out over more and more planets with less and less players.

    In stead of relying only on decay as income, maybe they need to change their business model and find different ways to make money. Advertising and sponsoring come to mind (Arkadia can do it so why can't MA).

    I was excited about Arkadia and did not mind space to much, but after a few weeks of positive feelings, this Welding Wire smashed me down again.

    I must say that I more and more understand people that quit !
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  2. MindStar9

    MindStar9 Floating in Space

    Not to mention that Welding Wire is lootable right now, and if you're traveling in space and have some on you - even stored in vehicles, like a Pitbull - it gets looted, and if you end up at a space station without a TP, then you're stuck, because you need it to repair your vehicle.

    Support cases have been filed about this to get clarification as to whether it was intentional, or an oversight that needs to be fixed. Going to be interesting to see how this turns out.

    Oh, and to craft Welding Wire - all of the ingredients aren't from one planet - there's one from Arkadia (Ospra?), and another (Alternative Ingot) from RT needed, besides the other two. Are we having fun yet? :D
  3. aridash

    aridash large throbbing member

    oh my... are they actually beginning to create a real economy?
  4. RAZER

    RAZER Custom title ... uh ...

    I agree and even like it that stuff from all planets is needed to craft stuff, but why the hell do they have to do this for repairing?

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  5. MindStar9

    MindStar9 Floating in Space


    I'm going to assume that your comment was meant to be sarcastic, so let me make something clear real quick ... my comment ... are we having fun yet ... in no way meant that I was against building a real economy. I have said in many other posts that I think it's a good thing that the auction house was separated by planet. I like that it forces everyone to work together to build an economy by whatever creative methods we can come up with.

    What isn't cool is that Welding Wire is lootable - and I would say that this is pretty much the general concensus.

    Hope that explains my position so that there's no confusion whatsoever. :)
  6. narfi

    narfi Lost

    I agree,
    BPs requiring resources from multiple plants is a great thing.
    Having Something required for use in an isolated area after being looted as a lootable item is a bad idea.

    My guess is that next vu welding wire gets moved to the tools tab along with probes which are also a stackable.

  7. haven't tried it yet but has the repair tool decay been altered to include the welding wire tt? The fact the thing is using ospra and alternative is ok with me...traders are buying ospra at 200% :D or more...make a few more essential items available only on a few planets, remove lootable pvp and the game will almost be perfect :)
  8. Lykke TheNun

    Lykke TheNun Lootius bless you all!

    remove lootable pvp and only have it in space areas, where you can go by choice AND make an all-world auction feature - and I'm all game.
  9. John BD

    John BD Subwoofers rock.

    im happy on arkadia, but from caly u can still siimply teleport to cp or foma to my best knowledge and so not needing to enter any pvp there.

    and weldingwire bp's are around more then enough just cant be auctioned atm due to a bug. (even i got a 85 attempt 1 and i craft once in a blue moon 10 clicks :D ...or was i lucky)
  10. narfi

    narfi Lost

    I understand where you are coming from, and can respect that. (I don't like pvp either, but I understand the need for it)
    I wonder though since you are so extremely black and white on the issue, are you principals the same in real life?

    For instance, where did the copper in your computer come from? and at what cost? (im not talking dollars) There are a bajillion examples in rl where such principals are not possible or practical.
    (I have lived about as much of a subsistance lifestyle as possible in modern times. Living off of wild game/fish and garden vegetables. Living in an isolated part of the country away from the cities and roads. Walking to work, etc... (I am married now and am living a bit more luxurious than then) Even then I was dependent on resources that if you followed the chain of production or processes to obtain back to the beginning, they had immoral, inhumane, or things which damaged the earth.
  11. But this is a game, and therefore you don't NEED anything, it is your choice to purchase/participate.
  12. my tp chip has seen more use in the last three days than in the last year and now I've spent quite a bit of time getting to know the landscape of Arkadia better on foot as well so I can understand about upholding your principles. My avatar hasn't worn clothing since the equiping fee and only worn armor, except for the red beret we got for free which is never removed. True it's been a few years but I believed it was an unfair tax then and it still is so I continue with no clothing rule which is now in storage.
  13. MindStar9

    MindStar9 Floating in Space


    Your real life example only demonstrates that you made a choice to live in an isolated area and live off the land, thereby making your own determination as to whether there was risk involved or not. Your circumstances in that time were not the norm as far as how society lives today.

    Supply and demand is easily understood, but in real life, pretty much what we need is available to us without having to risk losing real money based on our choices, and it's business as usual.

    However, in our virtual universe, we were just told that we can't live our lives in Entropia with business as usual, and are now forced to either travel across space in lootable PvP in order to get the resources we need, or pay additional money to someone to take the risk for us to get what we need so that it's business as usual (which isn't guaranteed either), or ... if we can't afford the risk, or able to hire guards for safe travel, then are relegated to a diminished capacity in how we do business within Entropia.

    That doesn't sound too appealing to me.
  14. narfi

    narfi Lost

    That was exactly my point MS9,
    Anyone living a 'normal' lifestyle (even someone trying to live the extreme subsistence lifestyle) consumes ALOT of stuff that when you follow the resources back to their roots would go against what that person claims to believe in.

    His post was not about the economical cost to him. It was about the economical or psychological loss of those who were involved in the process before it came to him.

    I don't want to insult anyone, because I consume the same stuff. But it is an interesting thought, and part of the discussion.

    You can have a belief in some environmental issue or human rights issue being wrong. You may even feel strongly enough about it to boycott or do some other means of making your voice heard. But the reality is that in most cases it is impossible not to be hypocritical about it since those issues are tied into the very fabric of out modern society.

    Welding wires are the perfect example of this, which is why I commented on it.
    You can say "I wont use vehicles anymore because they need welding wires which have to be shipped through a pvp zone. I dont believe in pvp, so therefore I wont use vehicles. Its the principal of it!"
    Will you buy anything from somoene who has used a vehicle?
    Vehicles are used extensively by both miners and hunters to get to and from their areas and provide you or the crafters with the materials needed to make YOU the stuff you buy on a regular basis.

    What about this? Do you use medical tools or any Enhancers? Those are more an aspect of pvp than welding wires.

    It is a very deep and interesting subject, and even more so because our virtual life is able to so closely mimic our real lives.

    So no offence to Spawn or ms9, I can respect your views on it and hopefully havent stepped on any toes by pointing out the simelarities to real life.

  15. John BD

    John BD Subwoofers rock.

    pvp pfft persons shoot persons so that would mean players who pvp are evil? or are they just enjoying themselves simular when playing some kind of deathmatch in a other game.

    anyway u pay markup and ppl houl that stuff through pvp that deem is worth the risc, thats how a interplanetary trade evolves, so i see buying/using it as supporting the game becouse ppl want to make a pec.
    thats my view on it.
  16. BD that avatar pic is gonna make someone crack their LCD screen!

    ...Ill admit I started looking around on my desk to find something to whack it with before I realized what it was
  17. Lykke TheNun

    Lykke TheNun Lootius bless you all!

    you and me both lol
  18. Same! I was like, wtf happened to my OJs?!?! when I logged in after being gone for a while. I refuse to wear any clothes now.

    I love when people complain in chat about "the noob" running around in his skivvies who can't afford to invest in proper clothing to wear :laugh:
  19. GeorgeSkywalker

    GeorgeSkywalker Explorer

    Now you tell me!

    I'm on my second screen now
  20. RAZER

    RAZER Custom title ... uh ...

    you mean my pet bug is not real ??!! :cry:
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