Good points thanks. I thought the handles looked close but I did it thinking I wanted the outer section to flex back when sanding the inside curves. I can cut them off and go again if it doesn't work. Foam density and thickness I'm just experimenting...... that's the only foam I could think of laying around...... it's pretty hard and was hoping it won't give too much..... you are probably right though...... guess I'll find out. Alot of what I do is gaining experience both good and bad ;p Coworker ran the tractor out of fuel pulling a float plane out of the water last night........ it's a pain to re prime once it's run dry. I did the same thing years ago and have never turned the key since without leaning over and opening the cap and looking down the tank. My guess is he won't either.